Why do feminists say that "men rape" and "men abuse" when it should be "rapists rape" and "abusers abuse"?
Why should all men be tarred with the same brush… as rapists and abusers? Obviously I’m sure no feminist except for the most extreme of the extreme believes that all men are rapists and abusers, but doesn’t this kind of language nonetheless associate rape and abuse with men?
Well GIGI those figures are off, the idea that abuse is something that men generally do and that women generally do not has been generated by one sided studies and the destigmatising of victims of one gender only.
Domestic abuse at least 50/50 M/F- over 200 studies here
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
Child victims of sexual abuse with F perp reports up by 132% during 2004-5 (but still massively undereported and under investigated).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8347589.stm
Its already known that women are murdering and physically abusing children more often than men. So this whole stereotyping of one social group as abusers and another as victims for political gain racket is on its last legs.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Because most feminists are bitter because they could never get a date when they were younger and now hate all men.
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November 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Because hardcore feminist want to create an extreme stratification between men and women, and by spewing generalized negativity, it helps them push their agenda.
Everybody agrees that rape and abuse is bad. So if the feminist constantly associate the words ‘men’ and ‘<insert negative connotation here>’, they are just further exploiting rhetoric and the English language to get what they want.
This is the beurocratic socio-tarded world we live in.
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November 14th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Lack of objectivity and/or the need to generate sensationalism.
It is for this same reason we see NEWS headlines that seem to hijack issues for what they are and instead talk about a true but irrelevant fact involved in it.
"Gay teacher accused of blah blah blah" — The first word wasn’t necessary at all.
"Muslim shooter accused of blah blah blah" — He’s a shooter, why bring his religion into this?
"25 People survived the crash of which 10 were women and children" — Why is that "women and children" portion of that even necessary?
Same thing.
GiGi — "You might have a better argument if you left out "rape"." Are you saying that the predominance of male perps in REPORTED cases should be an artistic license that people should use to generalize men?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting
November 14th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
A leading feminist once told me that all men are potential rapists.
To prove her point, she said that there has never been a case of a woman raping a man.
However, I knew a man who was abused by his wife, and he was too ashamed to report it.
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November 14th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Of course not all men are rapists and abusers, it just so happens that rapists and abusers are more often male. But I don’t hear people making such claims as "men rape" and "men abuse"… I’ve never seen that written on a Feminists Poster-board, and if I did, I’d just think that chick was crazy.
At any rate, in a survey answered by hundreds of rape and sexual assault support agencies, they estimated that 93.7 percent of rape perpetrators are male and 6.3 percent were female. (Greenberg, Bruess and Haffner, 575)
You might have a better argument if you left out "rape".
@ Know It All: No, that’s not what I’m saying at all. Read my first paragraph! Although domestic violence is closer in male/female ratio, Rape is not, because it’s simply harder for a woman to rape a man than it is for a man to rape a woman, and it’s also harder for a woman to rape a man than to commit DV. When you’re talking about rape, the perpetrator is male 93.7 percent of the time. That doesn’t mean that "men rape". It means that "rapists are usually male". There’s a difference. I know the difference. Others may not know the difference. Therefore, her argument would be better if she left out Rape. But, again, read my first paragraph.
As much as that other poster wants to claim my facts are off, I can say the same thing about his… but my stats didn’t involve Domestic Violence like his did, mine were purely about Rape.
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November 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Well GIGI those figures are off, the idea that abuse is something that men generally do and that women generally do not has been generated by one sided studies and the destigmatising of victims of one gender only.
Domestic abuse at least 50/50 M/F- over 200 studies here
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
Child victims of sexual abuse with F perp reports up by 132% during 2004-5 (but still massively undereported and under investigated).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8347589.stm
Its already known that women are murdering and physically abusing children more often than men. So this whole stereotyping of one social group as abusers and another as victims for political gain racket is on its last legs.
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November 14th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I agree 100%. That’s why I try to be very gender neutral in my responses concerning these things. Women rape too and women are also abusers (especially now that more and more men are feeling comfortable enough to speak out against domestic abuse from women). Saying "men rape" or "men abuse" is giving the impression that 1) women do not do these things and that 2) women can only be pristine little victims. I can’t stand it.
There’s a good reason I’m an iFeminist and against a lot of mainstream feminism.
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November 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Who and when said that?Funny that some replies keep it as if those sentences per se are commonly or even hardly heard.
Do you distinct if it was clearly indicating the facts -instead of according with the chauvenism ? eg: high rate of male murders ect., or exactly saying "men rape"men abuse" per se?
Edit:such like above poster: .. as if there is any touch of heroical side in violance and being a victim of abuse is like being little like inferior ect?.,And if victims also be a little bit violant now and then hey decrease this littleness?…don’t know from where to begin…
Such outerings come from…Hypnotisation of male emotions,unconcious appreciation need or the core truth?
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November 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I will agree that not ALL men are rapists and or abusers. Of course they aren’t, that’s just silly, right? But one fact that we CANNOT deny is that the majority of all rapists are infact male. Women rape and abuse, but these people associate it with male because they are the majority.
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